Thursday, November 22, 2012

 
 











Where oh where to begin??
 
 First sorry for the delay in getting this posted. As I was reviewing what the camera “caught” I was once again AMAZED at the inability of the Board of Supervisors to conduct business in a professional manner. There is true discontent among the members of not only the board of supervisors but among the entire governing body of Sussex County. Not to mention the lack of respect and ignorance.
Why is it that a board member and a county official feel the need to get up during public comments and make a statement to the board???? Why is it that a board member (Stringfield) does NOT KNOW where the RT 460 bypass is planning to go, it does impact HIS district… does he not care?? Or is he just that out of touch?? Why is it that when given a sliver of possibility to halt the bypass does the chairman Tyler push this aside saying it’s a done deal and we must live with that fact our focus should be on where the interchanges will be??? It seems to this writer that maybe just maybe Stringfield and Tyler have truly been in favor of this project all along … do they have a personal agenda, something to gain by this??? One can only wonder. How is it that a Board Member (Stringfield) made a derogatory comment about the County Administrator in a public meeting outside of Sussex County? And WOULD NOT apologize for it??
 
Now to the meetings …. Yes meetings! The first meeting was to discuss the evaluation and the evaluation process of the County Administrator, Tom Harris. At a bit after 6 PM the personnel committee (Tyler, Caple, Stringfield and Futrell) called the meeting to order and then wanted to go directly into closed session. County Administrator Harris stated “why did it have to be a closed door session he had nothing to hide from the public”, so they proceeded in an open session. And what a session it was, a bit disappointing that there were only a few in attendance including Fly and Warren who were NOT part of the “committee”.
 
The next 8 video clips are from that session and you REALLY need to watch them all to get a true feeling of the craziness that is supposed to be the business of the County.
 
The other clips are from the regularly scheduled Board of Supervisors meeting. In my opinion the ONLY POSSITIVE thing to come out of the meeting was the fact that the Eastern Senior Citizens were allocated an additional $4,000 of necessary funds to allow them to continue their support of their group. Oh yea we got home before midnight too!
 
Watching all video clips will take a bit of time but well worth it IF YOU ARE INTERESTED in what is going on with YOUR TAX DOLLARS.
 
Each clip is about 4 min in length and I have tried (or will soon) to indicate a key exchange of words for each one. I will also be adding to this posting but wanted to get this out right now. SO PLEASE CHECK BACK SOON and often, and tell a friend about it. The more pressure we can put on this Board of Supervisors the greater the possibility is that WE WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!!  “Pressure” comes from awareness and involvement! Be AWARE and get INVOLVED.
 
Do you realize that it has been almost 5 years since a County Administrator has received an evaluation? I agree that EVERY employee and elected official need yearly evaluations but what I don’t understand is why is Tyler pushing so hard right now? Could it be he has a plan??? A plan to get rid of Harris??? Heaven help Sussex County if this happens!!
 
Pictured here is what Tyler proposed to use in helping to establish evaluation standards he himself was proud to say developed the questions. WHAT a bunch of garbage, this should be taken to the landfill, maybe they will waive the tipping fees to help out. If this is the best Tyler can come up with it is yet another reason that we have NO leadership.
 
Evaluate the County Administrator 1.AVI
Warren to Tyler do you have a copy of the county administrators contract …. Turn to page 6 section 12…..
 
 
Evaluate the County Administrator 2.AVI
Tyler to board Are you suggesting we do not do an evaluation…. Warren to Tyler we are in violation.
 
 
Evaluate the County Administrator 3.AVI
Tyler to committee I only remember 1 previous evaluation…
 
 
Evaluate the County Administrator 4.AVI
A gum chomping Tyler  The committee will establish ….
 
Evaluate the County Administrator 5.AVI
Harris takes to the podium to address the committee and then Warren Can I get a ruling from our attorney…
 
Evaluate the County Administrator 6.AVI
Warren to Tyler … it’s always just a minute when someone has something to say..
 
Evaluate the County Administrator 7.AVI
Warren to Tyler When did the board deligate that authority to the personnel committee??? Tyler back That’s a good question..
 
Evaluate the County Administrator 8.AVI
Harris to Tyler you do realize there are 94 other counties that do this…Tyler  you don’t have to zerox all the documents from other counties and bring here.
 
Mrs Turner comments.AVI
I hope the attorney finds a legal way to get a tie breaker because will NOT move forward. To Tyler you did not tap for anyone else and when I finish I will sit down. Mr Tyler you can laugh if you want but this is serious.
 
Special called meeting 1.AVI
 
Special called meeting 2 you got a problem.AVI
 
The eMail.AVI
Tyler I sent an email ….. Warren Show me a copy!!!
 
Training more important than other issues.AVI
 
Training more important than other issues 2.AVI
 
Training more important than other issues 3.AVI
 
Where is the agreement.AVI
 
You’re pushing me 1.AVI
 
You're pushing me 2.AVI
 
I have several other clips that were captured between the two meetings when some did not or may not have known I was taping but for now I have elected to not post these.


Tuesday, November 6, 2012

Cut From The Same Cloth

Here are a few sayings I would like for you to think about prior to reading this post....
 

Two peas in a pod.

Birds of a feather.

It takes two to tango.

The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat.

Are you really stupid or are you just pretending ?

"If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck."

Now with a little modifications....

 

Brothers Tyler, cut from the same cloth.

Two peas in a pod, this crop has failed.

Birds of a feather, Tylers sure flock togther.

It takes two to tango. The brothers Tyler must be heck of a dance team.

The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat. How long have the brothers Tyler been “winners”?

Are you really stupid or are you just pretending Tyler??

"If it looks like a Tyler, walks like a Tyler, and quacks like a Tyler, it's probably a poor excuse for a representative."
 
NOW The Post
WRIC TV 8 reporter A.J.Lagoe has been investigating the county Board of Supervisors with Tyler as the chair...NO NOT SUSSEX COUNTY but BRUNSWICK COUNTY. It seems like evil, crooked, back room deals goes on not only in Sussex County but also Brunswick County. There are too many simularities to be "accidental".
Check out the links below to the news stories from TV 8 below.
Brunswick Stew 1
 Brunswick Stew 2
 
Brunswick Illegal Bonus
 Brunswick Stew leaves a bad taste in your mouth and a bad feeling in your gut. The organization BBG ... Better Brunswick Goverment should be commended for their efforts.
Here is an idea since there is an organization that incorporates both Sussex County and Brunswick County amoung a couple of others ... THE IMPROVMENT ASSOCIATION maybe the BBG and SCAT should join forces , become a multi county organization with the same goal. BETTER LEADERSHIP, HONEST LEADERSHIP and LEGAL LEDERSHIP for US the citizens.
As you go out and VOTE TODAY take a moment to think who do you want to be your leader not only for the nation but for your county!!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Monday, October 22, 2012

Send In The Clowns



"Send in the Clowns" is a song by Stephen Sondheim from the 1973 musical A Little Night Music.  It is a ballad from Act II in which the character Desirée reflects on the ironies and disappointments of her life.
The "clowns" in the title do not refer to circus clowns. Instead, they symbolize fools, as Sondheim explained in a 1990 interview:
I get a lot of letters over the years asking what the title means and what the song's about; I never thought it would be in any way esoteric. I wanted to use theatrical imagery in the song, because she's an actress, but it's not supposed to be a 'circus'.... [I]t's a theater reference meaning 'if the show isn't going well, let's send in the clowns'; in other words, 'let's do the jokes.' I always want to know, when I'm writing a song, what the end is going to be, so 'Send in the Clowns' didn't settle in until I got the notion, 'Don't bother, they're here' which means that 'We are the fools.
In a 2008 interview, Sondheim further clarified:
As I think of it now, the song could have been called 'Send in the Fools.' I knew I was writing a song in which Desirée is saying, 'aren't we foolish' or 'aren't we fools'? Well, a synonym for fools is clowns, but 'Send in the Fools' doesn't have the same ring to it.
How appropriate for a title of the last Board of Supervisors meeting.

The meeting as usual started off at the Courthouse, the room quickly filled.



The high school auditorium filled in anticipation of an interesting meeting.

 Parade of Improvement Association minions take up majority of meeting and push citizen comments and other important business to nearly 1 AM.


NO One, NO ONE, Mr. Fly, Joe and Jane Citizen, NO ONE has ever denied the fact that the Improvement Association has done and does do good work for the carefully selected needy of those within their area of coverage. WHAT is questioned and what many forget including Mr. Tyler and those who paraded up in front of the Board Thursday evening and previously is that Sussex County is in a fiscal crisis and every dollar appropriated MUST be evaluated against every other dollar. The Improvement Association’s allocation is not the only program that received cuts. Maybe next budget session IF things are better they will see an increase, why don’t they understand this????? I still don’t understand how just by rattling off a statement prior to making a speech why it is that Mr. Tyler is allowed to (from his seat as chair of the BOS) vote and debate on such matters. When the State budget was in a fiscal crisis we had 2 past Governors’ elect to take a pay cut to help, HAS TYLER ever thought of cutting his very good salary (he has stated over and over “I make more than $10,000 in salary….” according to tax records it’s a lot closer to $90,000 than it is $10,000) or the salary of the other employees???? If I recall correctly they spend more than 50 % of their several million dollar budget on salaries … NOT on the programs to help those need folks they so proudly talk about.

So Tyler and Caple get off your deleterious campaign to resurrect your $15 G and begin to refocus on ALL the citizens of the county. I am positive when fiscal times are better you will see funding appropriated with the full board’s approval for many programs recently cut like YOUR Improvement Association.
Well just like the meeting it seems this posting has been derailed by Improvement Association discussion. Like Paul Harvey said “Now the rest of the story”.

The evening started off at the courthouse with a public meeting about the old landfills and the monitoring of the ground water.   $60,000 a year just to monitor the two old landfills !!
The court room was not filled up during the presentation but during it more and more citizens began showing up for the regular meeting and it was soon evident that the meeting would need to be moved. Once again, County Administrator Tom Harris with his foresight had made arrangements for the HS auditorium to be available. As the crowd was being told that the meeting was to be moved,  the Board decided to go into closed session to discuss an issue or two all in an attempt to save time. While this had good intentions was this a legal move? How could they go into a closed session without having approved an agenda for the meeting which called for such a closed session? With a Board that gets so hung up on details when it’s in their best interest, singly or as a group, how is it this “minor detail” was overlooked??
After the move …. It’s now almost 8:30 PM or so.
After some standard meeting business there was a presentation on the Rt. 460 Bypass. Folks,  this is a done deal and without an internal collapse on the folks driving this,  IT WILL BEGIN construction in 2014 if not sooner. The Board of Supervisors passed a motion to look into possible ways to oppose at a cost of $20,000 but this I am afraid is a bit too little too late.
THE PARADE BEGINS ….
For exactly 1 hour and 25 minutes,  a well-planned (by whom ???? Mr Tyler ?????)  and orchestrated parade of Improvement Association employees and supporters appeared before the Board. My opening comments covered this but I would like to add what other organization would have been afforded this opportunity????  The parade began at 10:10 pm and ended at 11:35 pm.  Then the Empowerment Ministry in Waverly presented a request for $15,000 to build restrooms, water fountains, and install fencing around their newly built basketball courts.  One Supervisor had already asked this organization to wait until next year to make this presentation when they were starting budget plans, but they were encouraged by others to go ahead with the presentation.  A set up was in the make and as usual the vote was 3-3!  While a worthy endeavor, if the County ever funds this request, then where is the separation between Church and State and since when does taxpayer money go to a Church? 
Then finally the agenda goes to the payment of the Lawyer’s fees.  County Attorney Packer had written a memo detailing the authority of County Administrator Harris and the fact that Mr. Harris had contracted the attorneys for the County and was authorize to make payments up to $15,000 without Board approval.  So, Mr. Harris paid the bill !!  Needless to say, Chairman Tyler was not pleased and made several comments before and after this regarding the ability of the County Administrator and would have to see if their regulations could be changed to weaken the authority of the County Administrator.

Bottom line, Tyler does not want the County Administrator to hire, fire, engage in contracts, and pay bills.  Tyler wants to have control over all these things so that he can hire his friends, fire his enemies and pay who he wants to or not even pay them if they are owed money.  If Tyler does not agree with something, his first comment is about how he needs that policy changed.  If it is something he wants, then he parades people before the Board to voice their support for a particular person or organization.  Some of the people that he brings before the Board are not citizens of this County but are given more opportunity and time to speak than the tax-paying citizens of the County.
Let the County Administrator be the County Administrator and do the job for which he was hired !!
Then we are at nearly 1:00 am and Tyler states that it is time to adjourn the meeting without public citizen comments.  This did not go over well with the few remaining audience members and we were given our time to speak whether they heard it or not, but got our comments on the record.  

I have grouped the videos from the meeting into groups. I hope this helps in your viewing of them.

Crater Planning 1.AVI  http://youtu.be/IXaUK7wNuys

Crater Planning 2.AVI   http://youtu.be/cKlKBMsjdS0


Attorney's fees 1.AVI   http://youtu.be/jZ04COzFhu4

Attorney's fees 2.AVI   http://youtu.be/0lT034kM9Jc

Attorney's fees 3.AVI    http://youtu.be/vTqRjS7BLAE


Economic Development Planning 1.AVI  http://youtu.be/urzMDbbmFRw

Economic Development Planning 2.AVI  http://youtu.be/g3nQ3QzgVAA
98%


Improvement Association 1.AVI   http://youtu.be/aHUA-_u0CBg

Improvement Association 2.AVI http://youtu.be/Cfz1TZGUTcI

Improvement Association 3.AVI  http://youtu.be/cfo4dLY8Dz8






Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Construction Workers WANTED


If your looking for a job, Sussex County has some openings. The work will not be "fun" but will be rewarding.


The hole that Sussex County is in is getting deeper and several of our “leaders” are grabbing for the shovels and others are grabbing for the ladder. The only problem is that those digging are doing so at a pace that exceeds the capability of the ladder.
Tyler and Caple should be ashamed of their comments that were recently published in the Sussex Surry Dispatch. These just further support that they are living in a world all their own without a clue as to what it takes to allow Sussex to prosper and move into the 21st century providing real opportunities for the citizens. Oh they know (or are told by others what to know and say) what are the right words to use and comments to make that would find support among the non informed, non participatory portion of our society. Narrow minded leaders along with narrow minded citizens are creating a situation in our County that will make it nearly impossible to climb out of that hole WE yes WE dug.
Nothing is impossible, and the leaders and future leaders of our County must set aside personal agendas, personal differences, past “issues” and move on. Each one of us even if we do not inspire to become a member of the Board of Supervisors is a LEADER of Sussex County and MUST participate in the governmental process that so many folks gave their lives to make sure we have the right to do so.
If you think the tolls on I-95 or the 460 bypass are road blocks to the success and prosperity of our county THINK AGAN the biggest road block we have to that success and prosperity sits behind the table at the courthouse once every month.
Be part of the construction crew that will help Sussex County get out of that hole, fill it in with the past, and move towards a County that fulfills its posibilities.

Monday, October 15, 2012




Once again, County Administrator Tom Harris has proven why he is the right person for the job with the skills to get the job done !!  His latest accomplishment has been described by Supervisor Futrell as "the icing on the cake" !!  

What is it?  Come to the Board of Supervisors meeting on Thursday, October 18th at 7:30 p.m.  and see for yourself.

If you have never attended a Board meeting, this is the one to attend. 


If you have attended some but not regularly, this is the one to attend. 


If you attend regularly, then you don't want to miss this one !  


Again, come to the meeting to show your support for our County Administrator Tom Harris and the outstanding job that he has done.  He has accomplished things this past year that have not been done in the last 10 years.  


It's time for the citizens of this county to show their support and show their interest to have this County run efficiently, legally, and morally correct.  Only if you show that you are interested by your presence will it make the Board members take notice and hopefully think twice before they vote on certain issues.



REMEMBER:  THURSDAY, OCTOBER 18TH AT 7:30 PM

IF YOU CARE AT ALL, YOU NEED TO BE THERE !!!!!!


SPREAD THE WORD TO ANYONE YOU KNOW AND TELL  THEM TO ATTEND.

Saturday, September 22, 2012

Two posts: 1) Sussex County BOS and 2) Waverly Town Council

1st a WOW moment. This blog just recently went over 10,000 views, yes 10,000 ... THANKS!


There is a march on Wall Street movement going on nationally and I can assure you we have a march on Sussex County going on also that is alive and well. More and more AND MORE citizens are getting involved in how this county is being managed or miss-managed. Folks are attending public meetings in numbers never before seen and not just the monthly board of supervisors meeting. Many citizens are attending (some in disbelief) to sit and listen, becoming more knowledgeable and to offer support for those speaking up on all of our behalf. Others are putting themselves up at the podium, for 2 minutes at a time, standing in front of the Board letting them (as a group or individually) know they are concerned and have an issue with them or their conduct, and on a rare time or two to congratulate for a job well done. How appropriate it is that while an individual is facing the Board speaking the rest of us are behind them. While not everyone will agree with everything someone is saying as citizens of the county we have their back, whether it is a cook at the county jail asking for air conditioning or someone looking for relief from an illegal damning up of a drainage ditch that is causing problems on their property.
Before getting to the video clips from the meeting the following is a letter to the editor of the Sussex Surry Dispatch that hopefully will be printed this week. I am posting it here because in the letter I ask folks to “play a matching game.” I will give you the correct answers to that game.

A Path Well Taken
By Fred X Turck, Blackwater District

First a BIG pat on the back for all those citizens that attended one or more of the Community Meetings held across the county last month. AND for all those who are attending the regular BOS meetings each month. It is we the people who will make a difference.

I had great hopes that last night’s board of supervisors meeting was going to turn the corner on an inability to work towards the betterment of the county and ALL its citizens. It didn’t take long for reality to sink in, oh yes we did turn a corner however the turn taken took us down an all too familiar path.
How about playing along with me a matching game? We might as well play games like some on our board members are doing, at least well be accomplishing something. So here is the game. See if you can match the individual sitting at the table with the following quotes. All board members, the County Administrator and Attorney are included as possible options.
  • 1.    It’s not rocket science.
  • 2.    You’re attacking the children, the churches, head start and the seniors.
  • 3.    The town meeting I had.
  • 4.    It doesn't make a difference to me.
  • 5.    Politics got started in the church.
  • 6.    We're at a dreadlock. (this is NOT a typo)
  • 7.    I need time to digest it.
  • 8.    It’s a nightmare.
  • 9.    Acknowledge the extraordinary work our employees provide.


Now to a more serious subject! The Improvement Association is becoming a tremendous distraction to the board of supervisors. Last night we were painfully (once again) exposed to a lengthy, very, very lengthy bantering back and forth about issues that had no place at OUR Board of Supervisors meeting. It’s hard if not impossible to keep this from occurring over and over since two of our supervisors are the main leadership of the association. This is an illness that must be cured and like many infectious diseases the only cure is to cut it out. If Tyler and or Caple really cared about the health of the county one of them (if not both) would remove themselves either from the Board of Supervisors or the Improvement Association. Guess which one they would pick if they were man enough to even make that decision. I can’t blame them either,  I would not give up a very lucrative position on the Association for a public service job that at times is a thankless job. We cannot afford to allow this disease to keep eating away at our health. By no means do I want it to be construed that I am not supportive of the work the Association does and the services it provides, what I am against is the distraction it is creating. Both organizations would be better off if the illness is cured.



If you need a reminder who your choices are below is a group photo of the Board of Supervisors and remember you also have Thomas Harris who sits to the right of Dopey and to his right Attorney Packer.




ANSWERS to the matching game …
  • 1.    It’s not rocket science. (Fly to Tyler)
  • 2.    You’re attacking the children, the churches, head start and the seniors. (Stringfield to Fly)
  • 3.    The town meeting I had. (Tyler to all)
  • 4.    It doesn’t make a difference to me. (Tyler to all)
  • 5.    Politics got started in the church. (Stringfield to all)
  • 6.    Were at a dreadlock. (this is NOT a typo) (Tyler)
  • 7.    I need time to digest it. (Caple)
  • 8.    It’s a nightmare. (Warren)
  • 9.    Acknowledge the extraordinary work our employees provide. (Harris during his report)



I put the citizen comments first as they should be, for it is the citizens who are the most important aspect of the county and the sooner the board (all the board) realizes this then maybe they can put many of their petty differences behind them and move on.

CITIZEN COMMENTS







For all the good the Improvement Association does this is but a single look into some serious issues and concerns we have with this BOS and IA “connection”.
Citizen speaks out about unfair treatment from the Association: http://youtu.be/zFKE9Q3kmgk


Citizens are showing up wanting to take part of the management of our county and would like to hear what the Board is saying and not just the mumbling. This seems to be a request that has been around for many years, its about time to do something don’t you agree?
A promise not kept what did you say? we can’t hear you: http://youtu.be/3-A_sCvZHAQ


PLEASE support the NO TOLLS





There may be time to prevent the I-95 Toll but it looks like the 460 bypass is coming through. Where was/IS the support of stopping this. Sad to say it was too little too late.
460 bypass is coming: http://youtu.be/-HStavboUwk




These next 3 clips are from citizens who regularly attend and regularly voice their concerns. They are saying/asking many of the things the rest of us would want to say if we had the nerve to talk in front of the board. We do have their back and support what they are saying. Thanks for speaking up!
Another citizen speaks up: http://youtu.be/g4dk038BlIs
Are you listening to us: http://youtu.be/o0dQjRSRRA4
A must view-hear clip: http://youtu.be/F0im8M0g4O0


The Superintendent of Schools supports this, the citizens are asking for this,  let’s hope the Board of Supervisors will also when the time comes.
4 year old program study: http://youtu.be/1YmSYQfTXaI



This infection into the day to day running of the county must be stopped, if not this may just be the straw that breaks to preverbal camel’s back. It is not known if this is a symptom or the disease itself.
Association 2 Caple: http://youtu.be/Sly1PwqpMrs




A tie breaker….oh how happy we will be if we have a seventh to call our own to go along with the 6 shown in a previous picture..
Attorney research options: http://youtu.be/0VB5qC183d4




There was a lot of discussion when Tyler requested a “training calendar” that would identify training requests from board members, well besides a public speaking session I know an individual or two who could benefit from attending a session on leadership, being a supervisor/boss and how to set a work profile and evaluation process. Why are we trying to reinvent the wheel? Why are we not abiding by contracts we entered into fairly and legally? What is the underlining issue or attempt with this push for 3 board members to have a meeting among just those 3 to then report back to all 6 to then get with the County Administrator to set the evaluation goals and procedures? We were told that in the contract the board (all 6) and the County Administrator would work together to establish these. In typical fashion with some board members they want to add several more levels of bureaucracy into the mix. WHY?
County Administrator eval 1: http://youtu.be/L6A4qennCLs
County Administrator eval 2: http://youtu.be/44WDvEoCYMU
County Administrator eval: http://youtu.be/gmbF2KP0sCk
County Administrator eval: http://youtu.be/duh4Cb3BfQc
County Administrator eval final comments by ca: http://youtu.be/E2X6NHPQIy0

2 of the positive moments. Is it just me or does it seems that most of those shining moments we have had at many meetings are because of the work of our County Administrator?? THANKS Mr. Harris.
County Administrator report motivated work force: http://youtu.be/8cDd4bUqYoY
County Administrator report I95: http://youtu.be/qepMQ-xABRQ

This was dead issue (like many folks would hope the coyotes themselves would be) until it became important to Tyler. Maybe with the next attempt to bring this up it will be declared a dilatory motion.
Coyote 3 Tyler finds something funny: http://youtu.be/d8F_qJd-RII
Coyote motion dies: http://youtu.be/DdzmTM5SuZE




What seemed to be an attempt to just explore a possibility for additional recreational opportunities for Sussex Counties youth was confronted with opposition? Maybe it was who was asking?
Fly “Let me explore rec program” w/unknowledgeable Stringfield making comments: http://youtu.be/uaZtXY1u6GY

TOWN OF WAVERLY MEETING
Short and …….
Two police officers tender their resignation and a police chief will be offered the job. This does NOT mean the person will accept but at least they will be offered the job. Previous offers went unaccepted when the applicant considered the job in more depth; let’s hope this one does not do the same.
Town of Waverly going into closed session: http://youtu.be/AiXSQm-h8wQ
Town of Waverly out of closed session: http://youtu.be/YKpWCynStho


PLEASE keep this march on Sussex County alive, keep coming to the meetings and bring a friend! You can talk with your representative outside of these meetings but you might be surprised if not upset with what you get told when it's just the two of you talking to what they say or DON'T say during the public meetings. PAL !?!?

In closing I want to take this time to thank the Sussex Surry Dispatch for helping keep folks knowledgeable and informed. Thanks Adrienne and Michael and the rest of the SSD.